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Long, Annoying Rant! :]

Post  Sarah on Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:32 am

Yay, rant time. I figure this is the easiest place to get an answer, so...

[Just so you know, this isn't directed at anyone in particular, just the collective. I'm just trying to figure out what is going on here. D:]

Well.

To be honest, I'm pretty annoyed.

I told you guys I would consider a forum once I'd had feedback from the members. I never told anyone they could go ahead and make one.

Also, I do not want the forum URL posted on the guild. Neo is strict enough on off site links but forums would easily merit an immediate freeze as well as possibly get the guild deleted if the forum is clearly linked to the guild (in which case it is...).

Hokaru is my idea, I would have appreciated at least being told about the forum before other members so I could look over what you guys have done. And no, sorry, time zones are not an excuse. You could have at least waited an extra day. I said you guys could work on it, but it doesn't mean you can completely change and decide things without even consulting me.

I mean, I would at least expect to be consulted about all officials. No offense to Yllnath (sorry, I need an example xD), who I'm sure would do a fine job, but I don't even know them and you can't just promote random people without asking me. Especially as I never gave any of you permission to pick officials in the first place. (And no, getting someone to join Neo and the guild to bypass the "TPC members only" rule isn't really good enough and completely contradicts the purpose of the rule in the first place.) I never put you guys in charge of running Hokaru, I put you in charge of revamping and coming up with ideas, so yeah, not really sure how that works.

I haven't been told anything about the RPG or how it'll work. I also specifically asked that people use their Neo username to sign up and I would have liked to control registrations to ensure that only TPC members join.

Yeah, so I'm fed up.

Oh, and hi. :]

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Post  Yllnath on Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:47 am

Hi to you too.

I'm completely understand. I'm also the one to blame here. I got in touch with Kaede when she needed a team rate on Serebii, the place where I do a lot of competetive battling and team rating.
When she was talking about a made-up league, I was thrilled because just some random battling wasn't doing it for me, I needed a goal. So she invited me to Neopets.

From here, I, myself took initiative to start a forum. I've runned so many forums for so many guild and games over the years that making one was done in around 15 minutes. The reason I made it was because I didn't like the site Neopets, mainly because of the fact that it seemed so hard to navigate and to do things properly. You couldn't just easily check all members, you had to go back to the mainlist, then search for that players homepage where you can find the info about them and their team, etc.
Being a male Razz, I tend to think about being as effecient as possible. So that's what I did. I thought, well couldn't this be run much more smoothly on a forum.
And so I did. All on my own initiative. Really, it isn't my intention to press this on you at all. I also said in the officials thread that if you don't want me as official (which is completely logical, since I'm new), I don't mind at all. Running a forum as administrator is still different from having to be an official. I can still do my admin job without knowing anything what is being discussed by officials, or I can even pass my admin job to someone else.

Anyway, I made a forum only with the intention, heey guys, have you thought about this? If you like it, just try it out a bit. If you don't like it, the forum delete button is only one click away.
It still is.
And to be honest, we spent some time in it to make it appealing. I don't think any regular members have signed up yet? If we didn't make it more appealing and if I've only shown the first draft to everyone, it was sure to get turned down. Smile


But, enough for my defence. I do understand you feelings. I know nothing of the game or of the team. I had no idea that someone of the officials or even the actual game creator didn't know what's happening. For that I apologize. But I do ask you to take a short look around. If you feel that Neopets serves it purpose better as a homebase, then that's no problem.

Also, thanks for telling your opinion like that in all honesty and upfront. It's better to have these discussion as soon as possible instead of that you keep walking around with it feeling annoyed/pissed.
I suggest you and the other officials just take some time to talk everything over and make the decision amongst yourselves.

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Maarten.

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Post  Sarah on Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:05 pm

No stress, I'm not blaming anyone. Just trying to get a straight answer about what's happening. xD

I do agree that a forum would be easier to keep track of things on, it's just that I feel a lot of people from Neo will not participate as much if it's based off of the site (and that's really who I made it for).

The other point about having it offsite is that a lot of the guild members are younger and don't EV train or anything. It's not supposed to be a super-competitive battling league, just something for fun. That's really my reason for wanting to keep it to TPC-members only.

I probably overreacted a bit, I was just pretty annoyed when I found everything was taken out of my hands. To be honest I would have liked to set up the forum myself, but yeah, you guys have done a good job.

It makes sense if you did it. I kinda thought Katie did even after I told her to wait. ^^; But yeah, that's alright. xD

Anyway, thanks for letting me know what's going on. Sorry if I sounded rude. xD

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Post  Yllnath on Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:49 pm

Sarah wrote:
I do agree that a forum would be easier to keep track of things on, it's just that I feel a lot of people from Neo will not participate as much if it's based off of the site (and that's really who I made it for).
And if you ask them nicely and let them give their opinion on this after they all had a chance to visit? Then make a poll somehow and let them decide what they enjoy more?


Sarah wrote:The other point about having it offsite is that a lot of the guild members are younger and don't EV train or anything. It's not supposed to be a super-competitive battling league, just something for fun. That's really my reason for wanting to keep it to TPC-members only.
Me being competetive isn't the reason for this forum of course. Smile I just didn't the look and feel of Neopets and how it just seemed very uneffecient. The game should continue in the exact same way here as it was on Neopets, only on a different site, that was at least mainly my idea when I made this forum.


Sarah wrote:I probably overreacted a bit, I was just pretty annoyed when I found everything was taken out of my hands. To be honest I would have liked to set up the forum myself, but yeah, you guys have done a good job.
Done. Wink The forum is far from complete. This is what I call a draft (quirks of being a programmer/designer, of course Razz). If you have anything to add/remove/change/whatever, you are free to do so now. The link to the admin panel can be found at the bottom of the page.

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Post  Zero_the_hero on Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:10 pm

UHm....Wow? Shocked
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Post  Kaede-Sama on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:07 am

I thought about it today, and I decided something.

I don't want anything to do with remaking Hokaru anymore.

All I do is just go ahead with stuff.

I'm sorry I did any work on this.

Everything I did was wrong.

I'm still gonna have my gym, but otherwise, I don't deserve to have anything to do with Hokaru. I'll just mess it up.
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Post  Sarah on Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:27 am

I knew this would happen. ^^;
I didn't want you to stop, I just wanted to know what was going on and make it so that you guys realise I actually want to be consulted on stuff. @_@
It's your decision though, whatever makes you happy.

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Post  Kaede-Sama on Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:06 am

I'm doing what's best for everyone.
I'm not worth your time or anyone else's.
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Post  Sarah on Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:54 am

Katie D:
Why do you always do that?
I just wanted to be told about things, that's all. It does't mean you were doing a bad job.
What's best for everyone would be if you forgave me for overreacting a little and got back to what you were doing and just let me know what's going on sometimes.
But yeah, I'm not going to beg you to stay on the project, I think I've done that enough with other things and the decision should be yours. xD

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Post  ibeaver on Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:54 pm

Sarah wrote:Katie D:
Why do you always do that?
I just wanted to be told about things, that's all. It does't mean you were doing a bad job.
What's best for everyone would be if you forgave me for overreacting a little and got back to what you were doing and just let me know what's going on sometimes.
But yeah, I'm not going to beg you to stay on the project, I think I've done that enough with other things and the decision should be yours. xD

-headesk- katie!!!! why do you always get so excited over stuff then if one of your ideas is shot down or you get told to wait a bit you get dismayed and just quit O_o i felt that you were doing a great job and really motivated me to continue.

and kk sarah, i will make sure i consult you on things to.
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